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Obama...he's got the whole world slipping through his hands....

Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:56 AM EST
politics, obama, afghanistan, bush, eu, middle-east, germany, france, foreign-policy
By TryUsingLogic
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I’ve written at length on Barack Obama’s foreign policy failings, which are legion. For a president who ran an election campaign promising to raise “America’s standing” in the world, he is doing a spectacularly bad job. Obama seems bored and disinterested in foreign policy, and has made little effort to strengthen existing alliances or to build the kinds of enduring friendships with key foreign leaders that are vital for projecting strong US leadership across the globe. He has even treated America’s closest ally with utter contempt, throwing the Anglo-American Special Relationship onto the bonfire.

Without a doubt, the president is leading the United States on the path of decline as a world power, a dangerous course which a future US administration will have to reverse. Barack Obama cuts an increasingly lonely and at times isolated figure on the world stage, with few real friends, but confronted with the same array of deadly enemies that his predecessor faced. America, and the world, deserves better.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100029050/barack-obama-the-lonely-world-leader/

Still, it's worth wondering: Would Sarkozy have fought French public opinion and sent more troops to Afghanistan (he has refused) if he had been cultivated more by Obama? Would Israel's Netanyahu be willing to take more risks in the (moribund) Middle East peace process if he believed he could count on this U.S. president? Would Karzai cooperate more closely with U.S. commanders in the field if Obama had embraced him?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030702690.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

So much for the magical communication powers of the arrogant and naive President Obama.

He is still the Pied Piper to some.....leading us to dismal places! Thankfully, change will come starting with the November elections.

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Fred-45144444

Dittos !

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:21 AM EST
SH-2000

Ditto to what, an opinion that's clearly inaccurate?

I agree with what George said below (2.1) & I'm putting it in the proper place near the top of the column:

... world opinion of the US has increased since Obama's tenure. Check out 2008. That's an 8% increase since we had our elections.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:56 PM EST
TryUsingLogic

To build a better world BO needs the support of world leaders.....and he does not have it!

He has had an effective plan on losing the support of Americans...its working very well!

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:02 PM EST
eriq samson

T U L - Yet another demonstration that your screen name is satire

You cite - yourself and some blogs rather than offer any FACTS; there is no logic to this highly immature and partisan rant

Where is the intellect of a William F Buckley on the right; at least he sounded like he knew what he was talking about and was marginally sane

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:03 PM EST
SH-2000

To build a better world BO needs the support of world leaders.....and he does not have it!

Hello!!!! The Noble Peace prize was awarded to him...get a real issue that is debatable; opinion is nothing.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:39 PM EST
SH-2000

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116350/Position-World.aspx

Here's some more numbers that prove that the worldview of the US is up since Obama.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST
Susan-19942010

Nobel Peace Prize, what a joke... tell me what he recieved it for, tell me what he did to earn it?? ZIP>> absolutely nothing.. it was the biggest joke in history him and Gore..

    #1.6 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:57 PM EST
    Bummer of Oregon

    Susan:

    He pushed for international peace amongst the nations of the world.

    Tryusinglogic, I don't get why you and every other Republican (not saying all. I know a few that think otherwise) say that the world laughs at Obama. I have friends in England, they say that President Obama is loved there. I have a foreign exchange student friend from Germany, and Obama is loved there. A student in my class has also stated that his family in Egypt have praised Obama's effort, so this whole "the world hates him" charade is bull@!$%# and only makes the GOP look like petty, utter fools.

    • 3 votes
    #1.7 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:50 PM EST
    TryUsingLogic

    He doesn't get along with Germany's leader and I have friends in the USA who say BO is a failure.....and they voted for him!

    Your puny and simplistic statements have no validity.....my dog thinks Obama is really smart and my liberal socialist neighbor thinks he should be President for life, oh, and I hear Bin Laden thinks he is better than Bush....etc.etc.....

    The articles I referred to accurately pinpoint his failures as a world communicater......

    Keep fishing for some reason to believe in BO.....

      #1.8 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:03 PM EST
      Bummer of Oregon

      He doesn't get along with Germany's leader

      Proof.

      and I have friends in the USA who say BO is a failure

      But this seed is about INTERNATIONAL, not national correct?

      and they voted for him!

      Ah, this old card again?

      Your puny and simplistic statements have no validity

      You do not know that until you get off your ignorant high horse and come over here. I'll gladly get them to tell you what I have just said in the previous post.

      my dog thinks Obama is really smart and my liberal socialist neighbor thinks he should be President for life, oh, and I hear Bin Laden thinks he is better than Bush....etc.etc.....

      Hooray for childish, immature and trollish insults!

      The articles I referred to accurately pinpoint his failures as a world communicater......

      ....from blogs and opinion articles. Cherry picking ftw.

      Keep fishing for some reason to believe in BO.....

      I always believe in a president, whether it be President Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. Yes, I have believed that Bush would turn out to be a great president (as did my parents, though they did not vote for him). I was sadly mistaken even though he had done a few (very few) deeds in office. I don't instantly go out and scream the world's going to end when a president that I don't like gets elected.

      • 1 vote
      #1.9 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:54 PM EST
      TryUsingLogic

      The world is not going to end.....we will simply vote to remove BO and find a more qualified leader that understands free market ideas and the failures of socialism......

        #1.10 - Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:22 AM EST
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        George Marez

        I don't think foreign policy is really a concern at the moment. We have jobs creation to worry about as well as 30% increases from the insurance industry. The World can wait. Let's mend our home first.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#2 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:56 AM EST
        George Marez

        To add, how does one enter into the highest office in the land by being naive?

        Also, world opinion of the US has increased since Obama's tenure. Check out 2008. That's an 8% increase since we had our elections.

        This article is just partisan malarkey. And people follow it like mice to the flute.

        • 11 votes
        #2.1 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:06 AM EST
        The Spirit

        Oooo, lookee there. The country of his birth loves Obama most of all.

        Too bad Kenyans can't vote here, because Americans are fed up with him.

        Or, at least that's what a couple of liberal pollsters say.

        • 4 votes
        #2.2 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:28 AM EST
        Fred-45144444

        Too bad Kenyans can't vote here

        Not a problem Spirit ! They could claim Mexican citizenship then they can.

        • 4 votes
        #2.3 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM EST
        SH-2000

        Spirit, if I had a penny for every time you tried to insult liberals & the President (and missed), I'd be a liberal billionaire... : )

        • 7 votes
        #2.4 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:00 PM EST
        Mike Rupert

        The Spirit, you're the type of extreme partisan that gives extreme partisans a bad name. And most people like you are simply seen as crazy.

        • 1 vote
        #2.5 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:36 PM EST
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        The Spirit

        He's got you and me brother,

        Slipping through his hands,

        He's got you and me sister,

        Slipping through his hands.

        He's got you and me brother,

        Slipping through his hands.

        He's got the whole world slipping through his hands.

        Guess he isn't the Messiah after all.

        • 7 votes
        #3 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:25 AM EST
        George Marez

        No one ever claimed he was the Messiah except for the Right.

        • 9 votes
        #3.1 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:17 AM EST
        Fred-45144444

        Not true George. Trust me, Evan Thomas is not to the right of anything.

        Newsweek editor Evan Thomas brought adulation over President Obama’s Cairo speech to a whole new level on Friday, declaring on MSNBC: "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."

        Thomas, appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews

        Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/06/05/newsweek-s-evan-thomas-obama-sort-god#ixzz0ht0iqCzX

        • 2 votes
        #3.2 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM EST
        George Marez

        he’s sort of God

        Kind of, sort of, almost like, metaphorically speaking, in someone's opinion, sort of a God. His opinion does not mean that Democrats agree with it.

        Also, "a god" is not the same as Messiah - the savior of mankind, the second coming of Jesus Christ. Evan Thomas didn't said he was the savior of Man.

        • 8 votes
        #3.3 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST
        bob-1478320

        I don't think he is a god,just a bad magician. The Obamamaniacs thought that when he held high his magic wand that the world would change when he uttered "Presto,Changeo". They expected to see the rabbit come out of the hat. The only things that have come out of his hat are the old,tired proposals of the DNC that they have pushed for the past 50 years.

          #3.4 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:23 PM EST
          SH-2000

          Obama is a smart man with good intentions for this nation, call him a messiah or a rockstar because it's all a complement; no one on the right can come close to being compaired to any of those descriptions.

          • 5 votes
          #3.5 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST
          TryUsingLogic

          The other Democrat candidates running against BO in 2008 all said he was "naive and unprepared!"....and not qualified to be President.......consequently..BO's on the job training hasn't worked out to well...and is getting worse!

          In hindsight....his Democrat compadres look a little smarter today than I gave them credit for back then!

          • 2 votes
          #3.6 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:11 PM EST
          eriq samson

          George - you go to an article from a troll, respond to comments from known trolls and expect what to change?

          Trolls do not think, they are incapable of it. All they do is rant, rant, rant

          • 6 votes
          #3.7 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:22 PM EST
          Free Mason-1490678Deleted
          SH-2000

          .......consequently..BO's on the job training hasn't worked out to well...and is getting worse!

          Your opinion of which the majority of Americans disagree as approval of the presidents job preformance is now is at 61%.

          Mired in two wars & the Bush recession; 61% is more than impressive, it's amazing.

          • 5 votes
          #3.9 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:36 PM EST
          George Marez

          Good point Eriq. But sometimes they say such outlandish things that I cannot resist responding. After 4 years on the Vine this is the worst I have ever heard here.

          • 4 votes
          #3.10 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST
          TryUsingLogic

          Mired in two wars & the Bush recession; 61% is more than impressive, it's amazing.

          As of today......"Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove."

          http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

          Obama and his followers are the perfect abusive realationship....the more BO lets them down...the more they defend and love him.

            #3.11 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:48 PM EST
            George Marez

            But your link is off topic. Your seed is about international affairs.

            the more BO lets them down...the more they defend and love him.

            That's just silly talk :)

            • 2 votes
            #3.12 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:56 PM EST
            TryUsingLogic

            My seed is about the failure of BO to do all the things he promised in his casmpaign.....such as making other world leaders respect us and he has failed!

            So what the hell are you talking about? The liberal's on newsvine are very full of BO smoke and mirrors.

              #3.13 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:56 PM EST
              Fred-45144444

              The liberal's on newsvine are very full of BO smoke and mirrors.

              Come down under the bridge with us trolls. We understand. Just because we are trolls does not mean we are wrong!

                #3.14 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:30 AM EST
                George Marez

                In your opinion he is not living up to his campaign promises. There are many many he has kept. My post in 2.1 has shown that world opinion of the U.S. has improved a lot in 2 years since the campaigns. And that's even with a financial collapse that we started.

                So he has been in office for a little over 1/4 of his tenure and already he is being judged so harshly. If it were another president, no one would pay any mind.

                Talk about smoke and mirrors. Just let the man do his job already.

                • 1 vote
                #3.15 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:12 AM EST
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                ralphie-1671209Deleted
                Lazarus Long

                Well, the "world opinion of us" can mean a couple of things. I'm sure they LIKE us better, because they think we've been broken and are under control. As to whether the RESPECT us more or less is another question.

                It's useful to remember that Bush went into Iraq against the UN and Europe's "better judgement" because of Clinton's experiences with Rwanda and Serbia. Neither the UN nor the European community lifted a finger about Rwanda, and the UN was useless in dealing with Serbia over Kosovo. The European influence over strategy in the air campaign with Serbia was so confused and timid that the Clinton finally told them to pack sand; we'd bomb what needed to be bombed - and got the job done relatively painlessly. Bush interpreted their reluctance to engage Iraq as more of the same (correctly), and paid scant attention to their complaints.

                The Europeans will only be happy with the US if it is doing nothing at all that might disturb their slow decline into cozy universal pensioner-hood. Gathering their opinion on matters of foreign affairs is pointless - their opinion is and always will be to lay low and hope things will blow over.

                  Reply#5 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:55 PM EST
                  No Pain No Gain 101

                  Without a doubt, the president is leading the United States on the path of decline as a world power, a dangerous course which a future US administration will have to reverse.

                  Just the thought of returning to "neocon cowboy" diplomacy gives me a sick feeling. I will take leading by example whenever possible, and leading by force only when attacked, every day of the week.

                    Reply#6 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:20 PM EST
                    Rockhead-434586

                    Merkel, Sarkozy, Putin have all denounced Obama as being in over his head. Gordon Brown likes him, but Brown is about to be sent packing. Chavez likes him but thinks he's a fool. The Iranians think he's a joke. Israel doesn't trust him.

                    The only people that seem to think he's doing anything worthwhile are Euro youth, US youth and special interests and soon about 30 million latinos

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#7 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:11 PM EST
                    lifeisgood43

                    My my my... the Pres Obama Haters fan club has produce more crap that makes them feel good. Everyone knows except some people who has an hate or dis-likePres Obama knows that the majority of the world likes American a little bit more now that Bush is gone and Pres Obama won. I mean look at the tittle of this article. It is funny that the haters say that we are putting him on a stage and calling him the "Messiah", yet of all the seeds and articles and comments that I read, it is those who hate or have a dis-like for Pres Obama that uses those things.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#8 - Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:45 PM EST
                    TryUsingLogic

                    "Everyone knows except some people who has an hate or dis-likePres Obama knows that the majority of the world likes American a little bit more now that Bush is gone.."

                    A typical close minded left biased response. Every liberal on newsvine denies all facts and info about BO and then calls the messenger a troll.

                    Your comments, just like your other lefty friends are weak, baseless and rambling. You have a "faith based belief" in Obama that does not hold up and is crumbling before your eyes.

                    You should re-read the links I offered...with your eyes open!

                      #8.1 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:13 AM EST
                      George Marez

                      "Everyone knows except some people who has an hate or dis-likePres Obama knows that the majority of the world likes American a little bit more now that Bush is gone.."

                      A typical close minded left biased response.

                      You are the close minded one. I showed in 2.1 how world opinion of the US is up. You just choose to believe what you wish.

                      • 2 votes
                      #8.2 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:15 AM EST
                      TryUsingLogic

                      You should go back and read what this post was about....I'll remind you.....

                      "For a president who ran an election campaign promising to raise “America’s standing” in the world, he is doing a spectacularly bad job. Obama seems bored and disinterested in foreign policy, and has made little effort to strengthen existing alliances or to build the kinds of enduring friendships with key foreign leaders that are vital for projecting strong US leadership across the globe. He has even treated America’s closest ally with utter contempt, throwing the Anglo-American Special Relationship onto the bonfire."

                      This post was not about a popularity contest because we all know that world citizens were enamored with the new Mesiaah...Barack Obama!

                      It was about Obama's inability to create strong positive relationships with world leaders in order to improve the outcome of serious world issues and create international cooperation. My links show clearly that he is failing to meet that promise.

                      If BO can't maintain respect of the world leaders, he can't improve America's standing in the world.....what part of that do you not understand?

                        #8.3 - Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:45 PM EST
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                        George Marez

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