Teach your children well?

There's my two cents for what it's worth. Thanks for the read, Logic.

I appreciate your comment. I am almost 70. I have lived in American times where most new they had to work very hard to live at any level of income. I have slowly seen it change to where the kids that aren't motivated to get an education or learn a trade, and they keep leaning on mom and dad to prop them up and feel entitled by government to have the same life style of those that work hard. They usually have more broken marriages and more kids that they can't support. I see this over and over in families that have good incomes but do not promote responsibility. A lot of the time it is poor people with less stability that encourage their children to climb the ladder of life and be something.

I know their are people that truly need help to move up in life......but they should be separated from the ones that don't want to participate in reasonable ways.

A complex issue and difficult subject, but teaching them that government will support them if they choose is not the answer.

Grisham

By the way, conservatives in America are very impressed with the moves Canada is making to stabalize your economy and stop runaway spending and other problems......very good!

Thanks TUL. The Conservatives have been doing a pretty decent job. However, the Conservatives here are far more Liberal in their leanings than Conservatives in the States.

I'm sure that is true, but it is about compromise no matter which democracy we live.

For me, in America, that is about not surrending to the fundamentalist Right or the Socialist sell out Left, and doing things to bring prosperity through freedom...not government.

I still don't really agree with that level of animosity, but I understand it more now.

I tried most of my life to be religious but could not force it to happen and really believe all faith beliefs are created by man. I am an Agnostic that believes strongly in freedom of belief.......but to protect that freedom, all beliefs and even the desire to promote non-belief, must be kept out of government.

Religion wants us to believe in at least one God. I do not believe Communism is an Atheist form of government, but actually a philosophy of government that allows no freedom of belief in order to make the Dictator an earthly Deity. What better could explain North Korea, Pol Pot or Stalin? When citizens can not control their government.....it is very dangerous!

That is also where the belief that slaves should be the same to keep them in control....pure socialism by killing individual freedom!

Grisham, I have really enjoyed talking with you. I get tired of the typical Newsvine attacks that say I know nothing, and of course they claim to be free thinking geniuses!

Our children should be taught that a government that can take care of your every need, can also determine what you need and what you get! That is slavery.

People who contend that their generation was smarter or worked harder delude themselves

I never said my generation worked harder or was smarter. I said that we are teaching our children to reach out for welfare today as an entitlement, more than we did in the past.

No wait, a self centered self absorbed narcissist would never have had children and if they did they would hate them for having detracted from self adulation. Favorable comments from Canadian conservatives are a left handed insult to be sure. Your drawn out parable attempting to relate responsibility within the family to world economics is testament to your long winded contempt for families and your deep seated concern for self.

This paragraph indicates you are not in touch with reality and like, for some reason, to express that to everyone......

My advice is to write on threads that are in touch with your delusion.

Give yourself a big hug, your a liar sir, it appears your memory does not favor your reality.

I stand by by statement that change on how we raise our children does not mean we were smarter or worked harder in past days. If you think change doesn't happen over time, I hope you didn't vote for Obama with any confidence in his hope and change! And boy, has he changed things. You should pay more attention to the reasonable point made by my article about entitlements. By the way we have more debt than I have ever seen....notice that!

That only leave one possibility......You must be an idiot!

Hey asswipe no name calling--Give yourself a big hug, your a liar sir-- No wait, a self centered self absorbed narcissist

No name calling? I was actually trying to have an intelligent discussion about a very serious problem in our society.

I'm tired of having jerks like you on newsvine using narrrow biased hateful comments to define people you disagree with!

Your first comment defined your own brain composition...."What a load of crap!!"

Buzz off! Contaminate someone else's thread!

For liberals, it is all about education. Invest in education now, save America's future

Thanks for your comments........

My article never mentioned if the family is Liberal or Conservative. I see this problem just as much in Conservative families as I do Liberal families. I have 5 brothers, 4 children and 16 grandchildren. Leading children to expect entitlements is something that happens with families on both sides of the political spectrum. Like you said, my consevative roots tell me it is all about education and making an effort to do better, but you have to admit that when someone capable does not want to stand up to the realities and challenges of life they need to be dealt with differently than the truly needy that can not work or help themselves. Many people, by their actions, choose a level of life that fits in with the results of their labor. I'm sure without your husband's help his brothers find some level of existence that they have accept by their consequence of their mistakes? If it is not up to your level of prosperity, do you think government should step in and take more from you to help others that make poor choices, like his brothers?

I have seen plenty of conservative and liberal children pass from irresponsibility and self caused suffering to the belief that they deserve handouts from family or government. I also believe you can be a liberal and not be a socialist. But Socialism cries out for fairness and entitlements to all, without the clear determination of who the irresponsible really are!

We can all be brought down by the scams of the unwilling, and that is not fair to any American that works hard to pay their way and build security for later life.

Children can suffer from the welfare state mentality we extend to them.

ERich-356044

I really appreciate your conversation about this issue. I see it as one of the root causes of why more and more people grow up to think entitlements and welfare should be expected. My belief is that parents should let go of the reins on kids that make it through high school and only help them if they are responsible and cooperative. And they definitely should not try to correct bad behavior by buying things and bribing kids with money. I see parents raise very troubled kids and send them to school......the fail.....want to come home....and the parents let them move back in. There is nothing to better to begin to learn realities of life than having to find a bad job and take care of themselves. And the older they get the harder it is to teach them important lessons to make them strong. I think kids and family members that perform responsibly can be cautiously assisted by loans and praise but not by gving them an open credit card.

This is a complex issue but it should be just as important to every family as teaching our kids to be honest, polite and social.

For every truly needy person.....there are 10 that beg, steal and scam their families and government. To not recognize that, is a disservice to this great country and our values.

Maybe you should try to be a little more true to your username and try using logic, some real logic

Why don't you say something significant and factual instead of criticizing me for trying to reason through issues that you obviously disagree with? Newsvine is full of people like you that simply express your opinion as if you are blessed with ultimate intelligence and knowledge. There are others here who are discussing this with civility.

I will keep posting on Newsvine but will respond to your arrogant one liners that say nothing.